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uh it was so low you could see the oval

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shape of the uh of the object with a red

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light in front and a red light to the

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rear of it appeared to be cigar shape

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maybe the size of an an automobile

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uh from red light to red light there

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appeared to be illuminated white lights

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the the whole length of it I thought it

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gonna look in the window and see

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something extraordinary because we're

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that close I really didn't see anything

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inside there was no movement no objects

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or whatever so it just saw it and have

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it you know just just actually

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unbelievable it almost seems like a

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dream really that what we did see it

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seemed like a dream yeah

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uh it saw it over this direction across

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here and over this tree line and later

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that night I think was within a half an

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hour or less there were several

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sightings in Mansfield of the similar

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type description the uh flying sausage

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came from that Direction came across

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stayed out there a while and it came

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back and hold it over here and it took

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off in that direction

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to my estimation it looked like a you

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know a football it had flashing lights

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all the lights going around in a circle

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around the area of it and uh

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to say you know it looked like a

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football to me what a whole mess of

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flashing lights

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these were

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all white lights this is what the chief

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and I were trying to look in to see if

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we could see anything but that'd give

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you I'm not a good artist but that rough

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idea there were cars moving up and down

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the street as the past and that tree

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line in a Westerly Direction it blocked

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out several of the cars and as it moved

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the cars appeared again underneath it

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which proved to me that we were looking

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at a solid object it either was round or

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as it appeared to me then football shape

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and it was no higher and no further away

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than those fur trees from us as we walk

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towards it none of you had seen any

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what is your own personal Theory we'll

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go down the line here what your personal

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theory is about this what it actually

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was where it might have been from you

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have any idea have you harbored any

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theories over the years or what it might

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have been well

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to myself I would say uh I saw it I left

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here I spoke with the Air Force was it

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the air force that came down and after

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that I just put it right out of my mind

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you kind of blocked it out it blocked it

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right off you didn't want to think about

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it or you just forgot about it because

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it was just another I have any more to

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do with it to be honest with you I

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figured what I saw I told them what I

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saw and that was enough for me I

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there was an experience in itself and I

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didn't want to go any further with it

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how about yourself Chief any personal

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Theory well it was something unique

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that's for sure and you know it could

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have been something that the the country

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has that doesn't care to discuss or

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reveal and uh or it could have been

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something from another planet either one

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it had to be one or the other I would

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say I might add that was during this

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particular period of time that uh

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several sightings were made of similar

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objects the one that I recall vividly

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was the one in New Hampshire and a great

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deal of credence was plus placed in that

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sighting as was this you know we have uh

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for I think responsible people here who

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saw something shortly after the sighting

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I think was a couple of weeks look

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magazine did a profile on on the

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happening in New Hampshire where

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a married couple was supposedly taken on

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of this ship and given physicals on

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board

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the object whatever it was a scene and

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working at four to twelve filling shift

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it was maybe 10 o'clock at night at the

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police station

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I was really into the article and I

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think at that time my concentration was

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so much on the article the door opened

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the police station and I I think I felt

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like I hit my head on the ceiling my

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feet don't never touch the floor so it

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just startled me so it just kind of a

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strange experience the culture did you

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feel as if you know anything like that

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might have happened that you're unaware

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of that you were unwell no it just seems

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strange that we never made more of it

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that uh like I said a a bus smash up or

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something you'd you'd say holy smoke

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what's happening and then probably talk

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a lot about it this thing here just

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seemed to go away by itself and I've

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often wondered why we didn't discuss it

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a lot more or think a lot more of it

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how can we correlate this information

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how do we know what we're being told

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we probably don't right we only they

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only reveal what they want to reveal and

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again you know it's a it had to be one

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of the others but all I'm saying it had

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to be something that we had that was

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they didn't care to reveal what it was

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or

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uh something from outer space the

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government didn't cut us in on any

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information the Air Force didn't

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communicate with us is as to what they

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did or didn't find nightcap came out and

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made the investigation took the

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radiation readings in the field so they

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did make an intensive investigation of

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the scene remained in the area for three

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days

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matter of fact Mr Fowler wrote a book

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and included this in his book

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I think I mistakenly said before that

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the uh the Air Force took the radiation

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readings they didn't was nightcap really

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that oh I see did you notice any um

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electromagnetic effects any radiation

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effects after in the area

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what what we did that night was notified

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through uh officer Jones's urgings uh he

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notified

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Otis Air Force Base in down the cape

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the following day

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brought here or flew over here a radar

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plane that circled this particular area

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for uh

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for a quite a period of time

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my understanding was that they did find

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radiation readings in the field that

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were above normal

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and they did flyovers to do that we had

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a radar or a plane flying over the area

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here for most of the following morning

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the government authorities came in and

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said that further incidents on this uh

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this of this nature would have to be

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included in a separate police blotter

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I'm unaware of that the chief at that

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time suggested that we keep a separate

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blotter

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for all incoming calls on UFO calls

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because we did receive many curious

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calls and also people saying they had

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seen sightings whatever it wasn't due to

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the government saying I'm unaware but it

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could have happened

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and did the government say anything in

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terms of you know don't don't publicize

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this again I'm unaware of that I wasn't

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the chief at the time and perhaps it was

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said to the my predecessor it wasn't

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said to me are either you wear that

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I I would know on that the cheapest

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right on that someone Wall mallpock

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Street also saw it that night can you

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tell me about that do you remember that

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uh there were several other sightings

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that night by people in in Sharon that

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had seen it I guess at a greater

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distance and we had seen it here but

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they had seen it uh wasn't it the

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previous night or something someone who

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said the uh yeah yeah also one Walmart

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Park Street there were other sightings

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over the years you were colony

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yeah there's so many things that went on

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after that we hadn't read so much I'm

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not clear on on who seen one of them

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there were several other people that did

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say they had sightings in Sharon at

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various times is that right

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and Raymond Fowler actually saw

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something in Beverly let me just asking

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okay as long as we saw her that was the

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main thing I think

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both of these guys retired now I want

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you to know I think Jimmy will agree

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with me we kid each other a lot but his

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criticism on the side we all discussed

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it among ourselves and as she said I

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read every article I could find on it

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seen by Chase deputy sheriff's their

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vehicles have been disabled

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but it's pretty hard to discuss it with